Tuesday, November 16, 2021

"no more water..."

It occurred to me that I've written about Noachides before and I'm starting to repeat myself (a little) . 


Something new which I will put out there.... I have a couple of creative works in progress (novels / novellas / graphic novels)  I'm working on. (Honestly I need to get off my behind and put more energy into them so I finish at least one). But one is sort of a post-post-apocalyptic story set in the distant future. I've been having fun extrapolating different religious developments.

One group was going to be based on the current alliance between the Church of Scientology and the Nation of Islam which somehow becomes an integrated path.

Another group I've been thinking about is a  futuristic version of the Noachides.  I'm imagining that after global warming really kicks in and sea levels rise, and major islands and coastal areas end up under water, people might start to reflect in new ways on the covenant of Noah (as). A likely prediction? They would be rooted in the seven laws and flesh them out into deep spiritual principles. But their sriptures could also include reflections on scriptures (especially the flood stories) of many nations. 
 

Sunday, November 14, 2021

sabians (part two)

Another more common theory on the Sabians identifies them with a group known as the Mandaeans.  They were largely concentrated in Iraq and Iran, but since the Iraq War of 2003 induced many of them to be displaced elsewhere. They claim to be followers of John the Baptist / Yahya (as) who weren't absorbed into Christianity. They are also the only living Gnostic tradition which has survived from ancient times.

When I first heard about this group, my mind was blown away at the thought there would be any significant difference of opinion between the followers of John the Baptist (as) and the followers of Christ (as). But eventually one can point to moments in the Biblical narrative which point to tensions which most Christians tend to gloss over.

The usual Christian interpretation emphasizes the moment of Jesus' baptism
[11] "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry; he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
[12] His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire."
[13] Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.
[14] John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"
[15] But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness." Then he consented.
[16] And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him;
[17] and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3)

Note that John here seems absolutely conscious of Jesus' status and he is depicted as an eyewitness to a powerful divine miracle supporting the role of Jesus.

But if we fast-forward to Matthew 9 we read:
[14] Then the disciples of John came to him, saying, "Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?"
[15] And Jesus said to them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.

So note that John has his own disciples even after Jesus ministry has started. This seems odd when we contrast with the earlier passage. If John is not worthy to carry Jesus' sandals, why would have have his own disciples following a different teaching from Christ?

A second discrepancy which seems inconsistent with the common image of John's baptism is later on in Matthew 11:
[1] And when Jesus had finished instructing his twelve disciples, he went on from there to teach and preach in their cities.
[2] Now when John heard in prison about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his disciples
[3] and said to him, "Are you he who is to come, or shall we look for another?"
So in contrast to John's earlier recognition of Christ and his witnessing of a voice from heaven, at this point John doesn't seem certain about Jesus' status.

In any case, I wonder if the Mandaens will provide a useful alternative perspective on the roles of Jesus (as) and John the Baptist (as) which will help Muslims get a deeper insight into events during the early history of Christianity.

The Gnostic Society Library: Mandaean Scriptures and Fragments

who are the sabians?

Those who believe (in the Qur’an) those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Sabians and the Christians any who believe in God and the Last Day and work righteousness on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. (5:69)

Who are the Sabians? Their identity is an interesting mystery. The Muslim scholar Al-Khalil ibn Ahmad al-Farahidi (d. 786–787 CE), who was in Basra before his death, wrote: “The Sabians believe they belong to the prophet Noah, they read Zabur, and their religion looks like Christianity.”

This description makes me think a lot of the Noachides and makes me wonder if some pre-modern version of the group existed in Arabia in the time of the prophet. 

For those who aren't familiar, the Noachides are basically Gentiles who strive to follow the way of life which Orthodox Judaism teaches is universally binding on all human beings (i.e. the children of Noah). This is usually summed up as seven laws.

1. No idolatry.
2. No blasphemy.
3. No murder.
4. No eating the limb of a living animal.
5. No theft.
6. No sexual immorality.
7. Establish courts / governments to enforce the previous laws (the only positive commandment).

Each of the seven commandments can be broken down further into smaller components (in one breakdown, 66 commandments and in another, 30 commandments)  so perhaps it is best to think of these as seven categories of commandments. And there are other principles which don't necessarily fall neatly into a single category. 

I've been interested in the Noachides for almost as long as I've been Muslim. And there is an interesting resonance between the Noachide faith and Islam. Noachides are monotheists. They believe in a universal law largely consistent with the shariah. Depending on ones exact definitions, you could almost argue that Muslims are naturally Noachides. (Both the Noachide Faith and Islam are monotheistic Abrahamic religion. And the seven laws are, broadly speaking, already a part of the shariah. Among the points of controversy would be that according to some sources, to be a proper Noachide you have to follow the 7 laws ONLY because they were found in the Torah of Moses, not because of reason and not because they were given by some other prophet.).

One thing which makes the Noachides less attractive as a path is that they don't seem very fleshed out. Just consider, the overwhelming mass of Jewish effort would lie in determining how Jews can connect to the Creator. Figuring out how Gentiles can and should connect would necessarily be an afterthought. And in fact, modern-day Noachides seem to be struggling a bit in terms of how to practice the day-to-day elements of their religion. What is a Noachide funeral like? A Noachide wedding? Noachide birth celebrations or rites of passage? Noachide prayers? They aren't Jewish so simply copying Jewish rituals probably wouldn't be appropriate but then what is left? There have been some attempts to fill in those gaps but there is still a lot of work left.

The modern Noachide movement is one thing but there have also been evidence of earlier analogues. In the Bible there have been mentions of God-fearers, Gentiles sympathetic to Judaism without actually converting.

In Genesis 8-9 we can read:
[20] Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.[21] And when the LORD smelled the pleasing odor, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
[22] While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease."
Gen.9
[1] And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.[2] The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the air, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered.
[3] Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
[4] Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
[5] For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning; of every beast I will require it and of man; of every man's brother I will require the life of man.
[6] Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image.
[7] And you, be fruitful and multiply, bring forth abundantly on the earth and multiply in it."
[8] Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him,
[9] "Behold, I establish my covenant with you and your descendants after you,
[10] and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark.
[11] I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
[12] And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations:
[13] I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
[14] When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds,
[15] I will remember my covenant which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
[16] When the bow is in the clouds, I will look upon it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth."
[17] God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth."

So according to the Bible, before God makes a covenant with the Children of Israel at Sinai, and before he made a covenant with Abraham (as), there was a covenant made between God and Noah (and his descendants... i.e. all human beings, and all living things). 

Another significant passage where the Bible seems to connect to the Noachide covenant is Acts 15. One of the first conflicts faced by the early Church was the issue of what to do about Gentile believers in Christ. Some insisted Gentiles needed to convert to Judaism entirely, while others seemed to think that none of the Torah was binding on Gentiles. To resolve the contract Paul and others went to James, the leader of the Jerusalem Church who gave his decision:

[19] Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
[20] but should write to them to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood.
If we look at James' instructions, they correspond well to the Noachide commandments. First of all, consider that the secular government would already enforce the rules about murder, theft and setting up courts. The rule against "what is strangled and from blood" corresponds to the rule against tearing a limb of a live animal (and the commandments in Genesis 9 regarding blood). "Unchastity" corresponds to the rule against sexual immorality. Rules against "the pollutions of idols" would correspond to the rules against idolatry and blasphemy. So essentially, James is telling the Gentile Christians to follow the Noachide law. 

So again, I wonder  if the "the Sabians" which Al-Farahidi knew were, in fact, some other permutation of Noachide.

50 reasons to never quote paul again

Bustin Jest (I think he formerly went by Christian Truther) is an ex-Christian YouTuber. Part of his path (to agnosticism) was a growing awareness of the problematic role of St. Paul in distorting the Christian message. He made several videos rounding up a large collection of arguments:

50 Reasons to Never Quote Paul Again Part 1

50 Reasons to Never Quote Paul Again Part 2

He makes some interesting points. Somewhere down the line I might revisit some of these arguments in a later post. 

modern day ebionites

Round up of interesting modern-day Ebionites (or Christians who seem somewhat critical of Paul)

The Ebionite Home Page

Yahhorai Ben YHWH

Essene Church of Christ

Early Hebrew Christian Resources List

Bet Emet Ministries

Talmidi Israelite Community (World Fellowship of Followers of the Way)

David H'Notsari